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Wednesday, April 06, 2011


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Howarth Plaza, where I wish they'd turn the fountains on already.

Update (and somewhat related since Howarth Plaza is at City Hall): I just read where Springfield approved a new liquor license, a/k/a another tavern on Springfield's east side. Some people are not at all happy about this, saying we don't need another tavern over here.

“A Class A liquor license in east Springfield is different from a Class A liquor license in Ward 10 or even Ward 9,” Simpson said. “What we’re talking about here are taverns.”

True. But I just want to point out two things: One, there's been a tavern at that address off and on since almost forever. And, two, I'd rather see another tavern on the east side than all the westward expansion the Aldermen seem love so much, and which takes away services from infrastructure and residential and business needs on the east side.

Also, one of the commenters on the article said we have "more bars in our city per capita then any other city in the U.S. with the exception of LaCross W.I." Really?

Posted by Marie at April 6, 2011 10:09 PM



Not sure how accurate the numbers are but La Crosse is listed. Not Springfield, though.

Butte Montana at .001956 bars per person

The previous answer was New York City however that city only has about .0003 bars per person.

Accuall, La Crosse Wisonsin has 375 bars in that city with a 2009 population of 51,818 so with some simple math that is .00723 bars per person

Oswego, Ny has 35 bars and 17,705 people meaning the bar per capita ratio is 0.001694 which isn't the highest ratio but I've heard it had the most so i wanted to clear that up

Hurley, Wisconsin has 32 bars with a 2009 population of 1,509. making it .0212 bars per person or about 1 bar for every 47 people.

FWIW, I would have thought New Orleans would be listed but Katrina might have lowered their numbers.

Posted by: Rob Author Profile Page at April 7, 2011 1:05 PM

Not to shock you or anything, but I'm on the pro-tavern side. :)

As far as most bars per capita, the numbers are pretty obscure and probably depend on where you want to cut off the outliers. I know a couple of small towns in Minnesota that might rival that Hurley, WI ratio just because they cater to fishermen in the summer and snowmobilers in the winter.

Posted by: Dave E. Author Profile Page at April 8, 2011 11:23 PM

Rob, that is some excellent research. Thank you. I wondered about New Orleans, too.

Dave, I remember going to a bar in Central Illinois many years ago that had a grain elevator, a tavern and about four houses -- all on the same side of the street -- and nothing else. Unfortunately, I can't remember where that was.

Posted by: Marie Author Profile Page at April 8, 2011 11:35 PM

You've heard of the bible belt and the rust belt. Well, Oswego, Hurley and LaCrosse are on the tavern belt. Add in Minnesota, and it's got to be the weather.

Posted by: Marie Author Profile Page at April 8, 2011 11:40 PM

While looking for data I came across an image that shows the ratio of bars to grocery stores in the US. They call the result "America's Beer Belt." Illinois, Wisconsin, the better parts of Minnesota, and North Dakota.


Posted by: Dave E. Author Profile Page at April 9, 2011 3:23 PM

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